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Post by whiskerfox on Sept 16, 2017 16:53:16 GMT
New member. Just sending my first message. I've been lurking for a while. Ran across something amusing today...
[EWCG2017TRITON] [Four letter key] WRF 1800 16 001 33 SQHP XUEQ EVYJ TWLY XCMF ZZKR ASGZ UPBG QLLD TWDF PPIE JSXD MKBE VVVK UMZC FFAO TLKS QAIZ QPUD TBEP UXQV EHRP IDHF HHVQ OVSX THVM JJVW IPML NRVD AAVH MYDT SQHP XUEQ
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Post by sirious on Sept 16, 2017 23:36:26 GMT
[EWCG2017TRITON] [4 LTT]
SIR 2302/16 009 32
PTRK QBRE HSEA JTYI ZLZO AAVJ RPCB VVXY RSTB TXSH VLUQ XXCV IDQN JMWZ LSKU MJSD KILS QYFH DVJN OODE WLVB OVBK UKSZ ZCMA DJMY FJNA QZHZ CZPH YGBT QNKC PTRK QBRE
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Post by technician275 on Sept 17, 2017 1:42:09 GMT
Hey Sirious
what does [4 LTT] mean. you had a go at me for making mistakes. so what does [4 LTT] mean. [EWCG2017TRITON] states M4 procedures although it should be [EWCGTRITON2017]. is that a mistake on your part.
to quote you "others who start in this activity, may think that the problem is theirs and desist from participating in the forum." I say people with glass houses should not throw stones!
I am a forgive and forget type of person, look forward to your response
OIK
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Post by whiskerfox on Sept 17, 2017 16:23:31 GMT
technician275, I believe that [4 LTT] is meant to be an abbreviation for my [Four letter key] statement. I hadn't seen that in the mauser threads anywhere, but I'm pretty sure that's what he's getting at there.
[EWCG2017TRITON] [Four letter key] WRF 1722/17 002 18
FGUT EWGU VUXI OSJX HQTQ BMOZ EQSA MESO UVUA GSFH GWER QTDG YFRZ UGKL YCWH VLEV FGUT EWGU
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Post by sirious on Sept 17, 2017 19:15:39 GMT
[EWCG2017TRITON][FLK]
SIR 1910/17 010 60
BVUT KYJO FWWC QZAD XCBF QCZN HNMJ CYOX SOGH XYRK SGXE XDQP SJGR QJET XXHO FCTO OHPV OJBX WSUQ PNTF OKRX RXGQ NYGY GFRB YZUR QLJF VJOS RPUO JZIZ QEEK DBQJ MZYS LMXV BGSI IVNX UUPW XWIA NYNC HLMB FUJK GFNN EIJW ZVVN IYFQ NFQO YLQT LBAN JGQD RIAS QXLB PXDN PEHJ XUKT XDSO OMRG MKWJ BKBH DGRY BVUT KYJO
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Post by sirious on Sept 17, 2017 19:26:31 GMT
Hi Tech,
I do not understand your message well, I do not know what errors you are referring to and about [4 LTT], you have already answered "whiskerfox". I have proposed to him and to all of you I propose: to include a new tag [FLK] after the type of message (Triton for model M-4) so that everyone knows before trying to decipher it if the key is 4 or 3 letters. We can discuss it and find the best method for this.
The next paragraph, I do not understand well, what is your intention, I hope it is not creating controversy. I am not a friend of controversy, I prefer to work and be able to help anyone who needs it, and above all I am in this forum to enjoy together with all of you this hobby for the Enigma machine. Regards.
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Post by technician275 on Sept 17, 2017 21:30:20 GMT
Hello Sirious
Firstly, I am not here to create controversy, quite the opposite, I don't like confrontation. However I thought your comments the other day about my "errors" were OTT. The main reason that it irked me was because we seemed to be the only two encoding/decoding(when no errors) and then you threw a dig at me. as for my last response, will its was late, I was tired.....maybe beer was involved. so I apologise if I offended you.
regards
OIK
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Post by mauser on Sept 18, 2017 8:10:19 GMT
Hi Tech, I have proposed to him and to all of you I propose: to include a new tag [FLK] after the type of message (Triton for model M-4) so that everyone knows before trying to decipher it if the key is 4 or 3 letters. We can discuss it and find the best method for this. I personally like the tag '[FLK]'. Bruce Culp is working up a new procedure for the M4 machines specifically. In it, we will start using the 4 ltr key sometime after 1 January routinely and no longer do an M3 procedure on an M4 machine. We will have two levels, Level 1 will continue to use the trigram that identifies the key for the day. Level 2 will eliminate the key indicator trigram and use instead a "Readers Digest" version of the K-Buch. Level 2 will be more challenging but significantly more accurate to actual Kriegsmarine procedures. I would then propose your tag be either [FLK1] or [FLK2]. In the meantime, I like your approach to letting folks know whether an M4 4-ltr key was set or an M3 3-ltr key was set in your M4 machine. I will add the new tag as proposed until something better comes along. Mauser sends.
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Post by whiskerfox on Sept 18, 2017 16:28:16 GMT
I'm fine with the [FLK] designation. If you have a machine with four rotors, it makes more sense to use the four letter key.
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Post by sirious on Sept 18, 2017 17:08:13 GMT
Hello Sirious Firstly, I am not here to create controversy, quite the opposite, I don't like confrontation. However I thought your comments the other day about my "errors" were OTT. The main reason that it irked me was because we seemed to be the only two encoding/decoding(when no errors) and then you threw a dig at me. as for my last response, will its was late, I was tired.....maybe beer was involved. so I apologise if I offended you. regards OIK Hi Tech. I have read your message, and the first thing I want is to apologize too, in case something I have said and has bothered you. I also believe that we think the same, NOT CONTROVERSY in the forum. Maybe I expressed myself badly when talking about encryption / decryption, what I wanted to do is help. It works for me, ... if something goes wrong, I can not decipher my own message. I hope everything will work better for everyone from now on. Best regards. Note: You already know that I do not speak English well and that I use a translator to communicate. I hope this time, there is nothing inconvenient (I have reviewed it, several times).
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Post by whiskerfox on Sept 18, 2017 17:10:57 GMT
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Post by sirious on Sept 18, 2017 17:19:55 GMT
Mauser, very good news, that Bruce Culp, is preparing a new method for the use of the M-4, more in line with the reality of its implantation in the WWII. Furthermore, we do not have the limitations of then; not all the detachments and ships in the 1940s had an M-4, many had only an M-3, and there were messages (eg, weather messages that sent and received the vast majority).
At the moment, I will also use the [FLK] tag for my Triton-keyed messages.
Regards.
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Post by technician275 on Sept 18, 2017 23:32:16 GMT
[EWCG2017TRITON][FLK]
ROM 0035/19 001 038
MWKU ORWO UZNH NXZH EXPQ SFRV ZDZP UTXF PAHN QRKH KLQR TRNO VBQX KQCF KUPR OMCN QSFN DHVF VXGH KUFK LPIG GPUG YWJH KDNH QLLE NVZH PIVC KWXD OJOI ZAPF JOYU OQRI MPVA XXXR XUNW HXMU MWKU ORWO
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Post by whiskerfox on Sept 20, 2017 14:16:14 GMT
Technician, Very Punny! Away from the computer that I have the Enigma simulator installed on, and don't feel like doing it on my phone this morning.
Seriously, the neighbors are new, so I don't know what the dogs names are. Though one is a German Shepherd.
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Post by mauser on Sept 22, 2017 18:35:37 GMT
Mauser, very good news, that Bruce Culp, is preparing a new method for the use of the M-4, more in line with the reality of its implantation in the WWII. Furthermore, we do not have the limitations of then; not all the detachments and ships in the 1940s had an M-4, many had only an M-3, and there were messages (eg, weather messages that sent and received the vast majority). At the moment, I will also use the [FLK] tag for my Triton-keyed messages. Regards. True that there were many M3 machines out there. But the Germans simplified the problem by making the thin rotor and reflector in a specific configuration the same result as an M3 reflector. In essence, a 'B' M4 reflector coupled with a Beta wheel whose ringstellung is set at 'A' results in the same substitution as the M3 'B' reflector. The M4 'C' reflector and the Gamma thin wheel set for 'A' index is the same as a M3 'C' reflector. So, I can do a Weather message on an M4 by setting correctly the thin reflector and and thin wheel to the weather key of the day. To the recipient they would think it prepared on an M3.
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