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Post by bjbackitiskm4rb on Jan 9, 2018 23:08:35 GMT
I applaud and commend all the work that went to developing the M4 Advanced Procedures found on the website... Chris Geib did an incredible job! I do have a question with something I've found, though... on the Marinefunknamenliste, after the first couple of pages it appears that the last row of the page got cut off somehow. The columns go in sequential order so the first column of the second page ends with U Boat Nbr 43 and the first column of the next page starts with 44; the first column on that page ends with 84 and the first column of the next starts with 85. However, starting on page 6 it seems like the bottom row is missing... first column ends with 210 and the next page first column starts with 212, and so on through the rest of the pages. All of the columns starting at page 6 seem to be missing that bottom row. At first I thought it was my printer but I checked the PDF and that's how it appears there as well. As the Captain of U-1965 (one of the ones missing) I could be a little worried! Or am I just missing something obvious with this? Or am I the only OCD anal retentive nerd that has noticed something that trivial so far...
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Post by ZZ9pZa on Jan 10, 2018 9:39:33 GMT
Dear bjbackitiskm4rb, Your number doesn't appear on the list here either. ;-) uboat.net/boats/listing.htmlBut well spotted. I have the same problem on my prints.
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Post by Arnaud on Jan 10, 2018 9:49:11 GMT
Well, now that you mention it....indeed, as you said, from page six, we're skipping a boat at each page change.
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Post by bjbackitiskm4rb on Jan 10, 2018 10:26:09 GMT
ZZ9pZa: I suppose U-42 is already spoken for?
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Post by ZZ9pZa on Jan 10, 2018 10:38:28 GMT
Hahahahaha,
Since you have the keenest eye I propose that the honour of first pick goes to you.
Especially for you:
A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools
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Post by Arnaud on Jan 10, 2018 13:57:14 GMT
I like to sign with HSN, but if I need to change to something in the Marinefunknamenliste and if I get to pick my own, I'd like to choose U-Boot 212 - NAM as this date is special to me
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Post by bjbackitiskm4rb on Jan 11, 2018 3:10:00 GMT
ZZ9pZa: Given the U-42 didn't have that distinguished of a service record (it was sunk on its first patrol), I think I'll pass on that one. (Love that DA quote, by the way).
As with Arnaud, I would probably pick to sign with BJB (my initials) but if we're going to "adopt" a boat to represent, I'd like U-Boot 404 - QEF (personally significant date as well)
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Post by ZZ9pZa on Jan 13, 2018 21:02:39 GMT
I´d like U-53 ETA if possible
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Post by bjbackitiskm4rb on Jan 14, 2018 18:23:16 GMT
ZZ9pZa: Funny you should post that... if you can decrypt my "re-do" of my message from 1/12 you'll see that relates to the "Proposal"!!
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Post by ZZ9pZa on Jan 14, 2018 20:41:21 GMT
I see. No problem with your proposal Should we make a list?
bjbackitiskm4rb U-404 ZZ9pZa U-53 etc
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Post by Arnaud on Jan 23, 2018 8:54:42 GMT
Hi there..another question. I must admit I have not thoroughly read the ADV procedure. Maybe the answer to my question in somwhere in there. In the Kennenguppenbuch, page 47. This page with a big 35 on top. (sorry, unable to post a screenshot) I did not find when to use this one, it does not look like the other sheets. Do you have any ideas about it
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Post by bjbackitiskm4rb on Jan 23, 2018 10:27:16 GMT
My copy of the K-book, for the pages in Teil A Spaltenliste (starting on page 13 of the PDF), has the big numbers at the top of each page to number them 1 through 35. I think those numbers are just reference but not actually used, you go with the column numbers 1 through 681. Tiel B Gruppenliste doesn't have that page header numbering.
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Post by Arnaud on Jan 23, 2018 11:21:13 GMT
My copy of the K-book, for the pages in Teil A Spaltenliste (starting on page 13 of the PDF), has the big numbers at the top of each page to number them 1 through 35. I think those numbers are just reference but not actually used, you go with the column numbers 1 through 681. Tiel B Gruppenliste doesn't have that page header numbering. Ok, but the page with 35 is quite different from the 34 others, it does not fit in the en/decryption procedure
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Post by bjbackitiskm4rb on Jan 24, 2018 11:51:30 GMT
Ah, now I see what you're asking. Page 35 contains the "infamous" Column 681. There are 17576 possible trigrams; 17000 of them make up columns 1 through 680 (25 in a column). The remaining 17576 are on page 35. In the "Instructions for Use" section see items #8 (with the annotation that follows) and #10 (with the note at the bottom of the page that goes with it).
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Post by Arnaud on Jan 24, 2018 16:39:23 GMT
From the Kbook
The second sentence is rather clear. However I do find the trigrams in Part B Basically, any of the trigrams from column 681 return "s.f.F." from the Teil B Gruppenliste.
Then what...it won't help with decoding or indicating the network to be used.
In the first sentence, what do they mean by "with all groups"? Is it supposed to convey some additional infos? Was it used for dummy messages?
Still don't get it
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